1 00:00:07,509 --> 00:00:05,360 so this is a replication study of the PM 2 00:00:12,589 --> 00:00:07,519 mega ring experiments which were done 3 00:00:13,789 --> 00:00:12,599 and 1990s just early 2000s so I'll just 4 00:00:16,730 --> 00:00:13,799 give you a little bit of background of 5 00:00:18,890 --> 00:00:16,740 what they came up with first the whole 6 00:00:20,810 --> 00:00:18,900 idea of these studies which John's 7 00:00:22,910 --> 00:00:20,820 already pointed out to you is that the 8 00:00:26,089 --> 00:00:22,920 volunteers try to influence a random 9 00:00:28,250 --> 00:00:26,099 number generator the random number 10 00:00:30,859 --> 00:00:28,260 generators produce zeros and ones and 11 00:00:31,970 --> 00:00:30,869 the expectation from charts is that 12 00:00:33,650 --> 00:00:31,980 you're gonna get half of them will be 13 00:00:36,229 --> 00:00:33,660 zeros and half of them are ones and what 14 00:00:39,229 --> 00:00:36,239 you're trying to do is to influence that 15 00:00:44,150 --> 00:00:39,239 so you get more zeros or more ones so U 16 00:00:46,130 --> 00:00:44,160 is the volunteer or the operator first 17 00:00:48,049 --> 00:00:46,140 of all choose how many what you want you 18 00:00:50,029 --> 00:00:48,059 want more zeros or ones and then you 19 00:00:54,590 --> 00:00:50,039 said about trying to influence it to get 20 00:00:56,930 --> 00:00:54,600 what you see it your mind on each trial 21 00:01:01,490 --> 00:00:56,940 lasts about one second and you usually 22 00:01:04,509 --> 00:01:01,500 have a group of trials and a thousand of 23 00:01:08,300 --> 00:01:04,519 them will take about about 17 minutes 24 00:01:12,170 --> 00:01:08,310 and what they found at Pier for most of 25 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:12,180 the ordinary rig experiments is that 26 00:01:15,710 --> 00:01:14,490 after they've done many many thousands 27 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:15,720 for the lots and lots of people there's 28 00:01:22,969 --> 00:01:19,650 always a little residual of effects 29 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:22,979 beyond chance that was actually showing 30 00:01:26,780 --> 00:01:24,930 that it's in line with human intention 31 00:01:29,929 --> 00:01:26,790 so people could influence it in the 32 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:29,939 direction that they wanted okay so most 33 00:01:37,190 --> 00:01:34,290 of the trials at at Pier were at 200 34 00:01:39,530 --> 00:01:37,200 bits to trial that is it's as if you 35 00:01:42,109 --> 00:01:39,540 tossed a coin in the spine around 200 36 00:01:43,969 --> 00:01:42,119 times and you caught it again and you're 37 00:01:46,190 --> 00:01:43,979 hoping the hint or tails so this it's 38 00:01:56,389 --> 00:01:46,200 really all you're trying to do but they 39 00:01:58,310 --> 00:01:56,399 also did some at 20 and 20 but most of 40 00:02:01,370 --> 00:01:58,320 them work 200 you can see the arrow bars 41 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:01,380 here because they've got very many 42 00:02:05,700 --> 00:02:02,730 trials 43 00:02:07,590 --> 00:02:05,710 bits per second you got very small pair 44 00:02:10,139 --> 00:02:07,600 of ourselves a lot of precision there at 45 00:02:13,140 --> 00:02:10,149 2010 much less and a 20 they had much 46 00:02:15,540 --> 00:02:13,150 less but they begin to think well what 47 00:02:17,910 --> 00:02:15,550 looking looking at this looks as if you 48 00:02:20,130 --> 00:02:17,920 can draw a line there and it looks as if 49 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:20,140 as you get a higher and higher frequency 50 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:21,970 the more bits per second you're gonna 51 00:02:25,020 --> 00:02:23,890 get a bigger and a bigger fit so that 52 00:02:26,699 --> 00:02:25,030 you know if you can get out here 53 00:02:30,150 --> 00:02:26,709 somewhere you're gonna have a much 54 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:30,160 bigger effect and that's obvious that an 55 00:02:33,660 --> 00:02:32,050 engineer like Bob John would think that 56 00:02:35,210 --> 00:02:33,670 you know I can amplify it this is gonna 57 00:02:37,740 --> 00:02:35,220 be great we're going to get more 58 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:37,750 amplification more signal for what we're 59 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:41,290 putting in so he they decided well let 60 00:02:45,420 --> 00:02:43,450 let's have a look at how far we can go 61 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:45,430 what can we get what happens to say up 62 00:02:49,770 --> 00:02:47,770 here it's two million bits per second 63 00:02:51,990 --> 00:02:49,780 are we going to get up to here or what's 64 00:02:54,510 --> 00:02:52,000 going to happen so their machine 65 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:54,520 wouldn't do that so they hired an intern 66 00:02:59,729 --> 00:02:56,770 and the intern worked on it spent lots 67 00:03:02,490 --> 00:02:59,739 of money lots of time went through a 68 00:03:04,650 --> 00:03:02,500 number of prostrations but built the 69 00:03:07,199 --> 00:03:04,660 renminbi generator and connected with 70 00:03:09,180 --> 00:03:07,209 the machine and ran some tests and then 71 00:03:11,759 --> 00:03:09,190 what sort of results today did they get 72 00:03:14,250 --> 00:03:11,769 up here or not well actually they didn't 73 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:14,260 and this was a big surprise and a big 74 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:16,330 frustration so there's a couple of 75 00:03:22,860 --> 00:03:20,650 things about this is the effect itself 76 00:03:25,229 --> 00:03:22,870 was actually bigger so filled with the 77 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:25,239 distance from the air down to here well 78 00:03:28,590 --> 00:03:26,650 that's in the wrong direction that 79 00:03:32,190 --> 00:03:28,600 distance is bigger than in what they had 80 00:03:34,259 --> 00:03:32,200 for the vast quantity of data of 200 81 00:03:36,060 --> 00:03:34,269 bits per second so two million bits per 82 00:03:39,410 --> 00:03:36,070 second the bigger effect but in the 83 00:03:43,170 --> 00:03:39,420 reverse direction pretty frustrating so 84 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:43,180 the main findings in was the opposite 85 00:03:50,580 --> 00:03:45,730 direction don't know why that is big 86 00:03:53,220 --> 00:03:50,590 frustration the effect size was larger 87 00:03:55,949 --> 00:03:53,230 and in the end they did some 88 00:03:57,630 --> 00:03:55,959 replications to see if it was stable and 89 00:03:59,250 --> 00:03:57,640 it seemed to be pretty stable these two 90 00:04:01,740 --> 00:03:59,260 replications and they still got 91 00:04:03,870 --> 00:04:01,750 essentially the same effect and so then 92 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:03,880 they wrote a paper on it 93 00:04:07,620 --> 00:04:05,530 conclusions was the cause of this 94 00:04:10,050 --> 00:04:07,630 increase in effect size and the 95 00:04:11,630 --> 00:04:10,060 inversion with respect to intention is 96 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:11,640 unknown we don't know what's going on 97 00:04:15,390 --> 00:04:13,930 then the machine broke so they couldn't 98 00:04:17,330 --> 00:04:15,400 do it anymore and they said right we've 99 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:17,340 had enough of this and they moved on 100 00:04:25,650 --> 00:04:21,730 well several years later I picked up 101 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:25,660 their paper and I thought this to my way 102 00:04:30,990 --> 00:04:27,370 of thinking because I'm an engineer this 103 00:04:33,300 --> 00:04:31,000 is really interesting I all I want to do 104 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:33,310 is amplify this effect so people can get 105 00:04:39,690 --> 00:04:37,210 lots more replicable experimental 106 00:04:41,220 --> 00:04:39,700 results so I I could see that there was 107 00:04:42,630 --> 00:04:41,230 a signal amplification it wasn't very 108 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:42,640 much but what happens if you increase 109 00:04:47,820 --> 00:04:45,010 the frequency it appeared to be 110 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:47,830 frequency dependent so I'm gonna try and 111 00:04:53,340 --> 00:04:50,250 quit so frequency quite a bit more 112 00:04:54,780 --> 00:04:53,350 because there was this inversion it 113 00:04:56,280 --> 00:04:54,790 suggested they might be an optimum 114 00:05:01,500 --> 00:04:56,290 somewhere maybe it goes up to a peak and 115 00:05:05,420 --> 00:05:01,510 then comes down again I didn't know what 116 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:05,430 happens between what happens between 117 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:08,770 what does it go down I don't know I had 118 00:05:13,170 --> 00:05:10,690 the opportunity to be in the US and I 119 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:13,180 went to Princeton and talked to to give 120 00:05:17,550 --> 00:05:16,090 Debra and Bob and said you know what's 121 00:05:19,650 --> 00:05:17,560 going on here is anyone else doing this 122 00:05:22,590 --> 00:05:19,660 experiment and they said no and I said 123 00:05:24,060 --> 00:05:22,600 well you know is there anything that I 124 00:05:25,650 --> 00:05:24,070 might be able to get out of it but what 125 00:05:27,330 --> 00:05:25,660 if I go further and what if I use two 126 00:05:29,340 --> 00:05:27,340 random number generators we had a bit of 127 00:05:31,170 --> 00:05:29,350 a discussion they said no one else is 128 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:31,180 working in this area so I thought right 129 00:05:38,070 --> 00:05:34,410 I'm gonna give it a go so that was 2008 130 00:05:40,820 --> 00:05:38,080 and so I went away and started thinking 131 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:40,830 about how I might be able to reproduce 132 00:05:46,230 --> 00:05:44,290 these points here one of the things that 133 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:46,240 keeps coming up in the literature as 134 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:48,010 it's that people talk about resonance 135 00:05:52,380 --> 00:05:51,130 I'm an engineer resonance means to me is 136 00:05:54,150 --> 00:05:52,390 there isn't its current standard 137 00:05:56,130 --> 00:05:54,160 resonance curve and you get the 138 00:05:59,100 --> 00:05:56,140 frequency right that's how that's how 139 00:06:00,960 --> 00:05:59,110 Wireless works you have a frequency 140 00:06:03,210 --> 00:06:00,970 mentioned to get a big big implication 141 00:06:06,150 --> 00:06:03,220 and I could fit that curve there by 142 00:06:08,430 --> 00:06:06,160 shifting it off zero it wouldn't usually 143 00:06:10,230 --> 00:06:08,440 go below zero zero line to be down here 144 00:06:12,659 --> 00:06:10,240 but what if something like that was 145 00:06:15,130 --> 00:06:12,669 happening between two thousand and two 146 00:06:18,100 --> 00:06:15,140 million we wouldn't know unless I did 147 00:06:21,310 --> 00:06:18,110 yes and what happens past here well 148 00:06:22,630 --> 00:06:21,320 maybe I can fit this curb put the curb 149 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:22,640 upside down you see I've got the same 150 00:06:27,580 --> 00:06:25,610 resonance curve is there happening so I 151 00:06:29,410 --> 00:06:27,590 was getting pretty excited and thinking 152 00:06:31,420 --> 00:06:29,420 if I can come up with it you know I'd be 153 00:06:35,980 --> 00:06:31,430 famous that everyone here would think I 154 00:06:40,530 --> 00:06:35,990 was pretty clear important to me you 155 00:06:43,030 --> 00:06:40,540 know well so I went ahead and started to 156 00:06:44,590 --> 00:06:43,040 design machine so here's the 157 00:06:48,130 --> 00:06:44,600 specification you can't see all the 158 00:06:51,010 --> 00:06:48,140 detail did this is the Princeton rigged 159 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:51,020 machines here all the specifications I 160 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:52,490 had to go through and keep the 161 00:06:57,780 --> 00:06:54,890 understand how each bit of it worked and 162 00:07:00,400 --> 00:06:57,790 then the the mega rig experiment million 163 00:07:02,980 --> 00:07:00,410 millions and cycles is two million here 164 00:07:05,590 --> 00:07:02,990 so this line here really shows the main 165 00:07:07,690 --> 00:07:05,600 difference they could do twenty one 166 00:07:10,390 --> 00:07:07,700 hundred two hundred one thousand and two 167 00:07:12,340 --> 00:07:10,400 thousand we talked about that twenty two 168 00:07:15,370 --> 00:07:12,350 hundred and two thousand and then they 169 00:07:18,430 --> 00:07:15,380 added this two million my machine beer 170 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:18,440 has got a lot more frequencies in 171 00:07:23,500 --> 00:07:20,810 between and otherwise I can do pretty 172 00:07:27,250 --> 00:07:23,510 well everything that the Princeton 173 00:07:29,350 --> 00:07:27,260 machine would do so here's my random 174 00:07:32,170 --> 00:07:29,360 event generator it's a much more 175 00:07:34,090 --> 00:07:32,180 reliable one than the head if appear 176 00:07:35,980 --> 00:07:34,100 they had to make their own one and it 177 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:35,990 was a it was a little bit unstable so 178 00:07:40,510 --> 00:07:37,850 they they needed to have protocols that 179 00:07:42,340 --> 00:07:40,520 handled it I was doing at ten fifteen 180 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:42,350 years later so I can I can buy these 181 00:07:46,660 --> 00:07:44,810 here with quantum random number 182 00:07:49,060 --> 00:07:46,670 generators they're certified they youth 183 00:07:50,710 --> 00:07:49,070 they use them for encryption and they 184 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:50,720 had ways of putting together to give 185 00:07:55,270 --> 00:07:52,730 quite a lot of higher frequencies so 186 00:07:58,450 --> 00:07:55,280 this would go up to 16 megabits which 187 00:08:03,250 --> 00:07:58,460 was eight times what frequency the peer 188 00:08:07,060 --> 00:08:03,260 could give so it was my his here's a 189 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:07,070 picture comparing the two the two 190 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:08,930 machines so here's the PM machine here 191 00:08:14,380 --> 00:08:10,370 who seen some photos of it already 192 00:08:17,260 --> 00:08:14,390 here's the output on the screen it's got 193 00:08:18,940 --> 00:08:17,270 lots of knobs and buttons here I could 194 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:18,950 reproduce those and I put them all on a 195 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:21,890 window so they all up here this here is 196 00:08:24,530 --> 00:08:22,970 the main difference this is the 197 00:08:26,330 --> 00:08:24,540 different free 198 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:26,340 see that I could run at it and here's 199 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:28,890 some output that they could to appear 200 00:08:32,540 --> 00:08:30,450 that they did it's not a net picture 201 00:08:36,680 --> 00:08:32,550 here so what this is looking at is I've 202 00:08:39,230 --> 00:08:36,690 got a thousand trials is it's done just 203 00:08:41,090 --> 00:08:39,240 56 of them and it's got 944 to go it's 204 00:08:44,060 --> 00:08:41,100 keeping an account of it it's the same 205 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:44,070 numbers that there are here and you can 206 00:08:48,770 --> 00:08:46,770 follow the individual trial results are 207 00:08:50,330 --> 00:08:48,780 the blue line and then the running 208 00:08:51,770 --> 00:08:50,340 average is this red line and if you're 209 00:08:54,350 --> 00:08:51,780 sitting looking at that you're trying to 210 00:08:55,970 --> 00:08:54,360 influence it if you wanted it to go up 211 00:08:57,380 --> 00:08:55,980 you're trying to make this red line go 212 00:08:59,720 --> 00:08:57,390 up so that by the time it gets to the 213 00:09:02,270 --> 00:08:59,730 end it's above zero and then you could 214 00:09:03,830 --> 00:09:02,280 say yeah I've won and the school will be 215 00:09:06,050 --> 00:09:03,840 here and you can see that how well 216 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:06,060 you're doing so that's the essence of 217 00:09:13,550 --> 00:09:11,330 the machine so what did I get out of it 218 00:09:16,940 --> 00:09:13,560 well the other just first of all the 219 00:09:19,010 --> 00:09:16,950 overview of my project was I had ten 220 00:09:21,590 --> 00:09:19,020 different frequencies from 200 after 16 221 00:09:24,710 --> 00:09:21,600 million 13 volunteers not nearly as many 222 00:09:26,930 --> 00:09:24,720 as people using five of those were over 223 00:09:32,030 --> 00:09:26,940 10,000 files each so there were several 224 00:09:34,100 --> 00:09:32,040 people who did a lot of work 18 months 225 00:09:35,930 --> 00:09:34,110 it's taking a long time I was protecting 226 00:09:41,020 --> 00:09:35,940 my career I'm a university professor I 227 00:09:45,500 --> 00:09:43,670 most of the runs were of a thousand 228 00:09:47,780 --> 00:09:45,510 trials each and people would come and 229 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:47,790 they would do three or four trials I'd 230 00:09:51,140 --> 00:09:49,650 pay them for the hours would have a bit 231 00:09:53,330 --> 00:09:51,150 of a chat about how it went and then 232 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:53,340 send them on their way and the processes 233 00:09:57,410 --> 00:09:55,530 were largely similar to those of peers 234 00:09:59,180 --> 00:09:57,420 so they write down the intention at 235 00:10:02,680 --> 00:09:59,190 first in their work for an hour next 236 00:10:06,470 --> 00:10:02,690 week the thing that was different from 237 00:10:07,970 --> 00:10:06,480 polar protic Home Instead I trusted my 238 00:10:09,830 --> 00:10:07,980 random number generators that they were 239 00:10:12,380 --> 00:10:09,840 certified I gave them regular 240 00:10:14,150 --> 00:10:12,390 calibration and I could get more output 241 00:10:16,750 --> 00:10:14,160 that way because I wasn't happy to do 242 00:10:21,010 --> 00:10:16,760 the positive and the negative end that 243 00:10:24,860 --> 00:10:21,020 the baseline and the results that I got 244 00:10:26,570 --> 00:10:24,870 so here's the peer results here we 245 00:10:29,180 --> 00:10:26,580 started off with that here's their two 246 00:10:31,610 --> 00:10:29,190 million won and mine have got bigger 247 00:10:32,930 --> 00:10:31,620 error bars because I instead of me 248 00:10:34,460 --> 00:10:32,940 focusing on one for 249 00:10:36,770 --> 00:10:34,470 you can see like they did there or one 250 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:36,780 frequency here I had 10 frequencies they 251 00:10:41,810 --> 00:10:39,450 had to divide up my result to max though 252 00:10:44,090 --> 00:10:41,820 so my error bars are bigger and so 253 00:10:46,070 --> 00:10:44,100 there's a lot of scatter in the results 254 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:46,080 but you can see that there's a fairly 255 00:10:50,330 --> 00:10:48,450 consistent trend there and you can start 256 00:10:51,770 --> 00:10:50,340 to put some statistical significance on 257 00:10:54,410 --> 00:10:51,780 that I haven't got the statistical 258 00:10:56,300 --> 00:10:54,420 significance of it but I'm pretty sure 259 00:10:58,540 --> 00:10:56,310 those here about if you doubled them 260 00:11:01,760 --> 00:10:58,550 just the end of this line is gonna be 261 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:01,770 above the zero so it actually is a real 262 00:11:07,130 --> 00:11:05,370 effect looking at individual results 263 00:11:09,020 --> 00:11:07,140 that was quite instructive and that 264 00:11:11,780 --> 00:11:09,030 helped me to think about a little bit 265 00:11:13,490 --> 00:11:11,790 about what was going on it's quite 266 00:11:15,710 --> 00:11:13,500 interesting to think about what what 267 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:15,720 either this guy here was it Chinese bus 268 00:11:19,700 --> 00:11:17,250 driver he would come after work on 269 00:11:22,340 --> 00:11:19,710 Saturdays and sometimes he went to sleep 270 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:22,350 while he was doing it so I wasn't all 271 00:11:25,610 --> 00:11:23,610 that convinced that he was putting the 272 00:11:28,130 --> 00:11:25,620 evidence and sure enough it's a bit 273 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:28,140 that's about zero there at the high 274 00:11:34,490 --> 00:11:29,850 frequencies it doesn't show very much at 275 00:11:37,780 --> 00:11:34,500 all this here also almost no effect this 276 00:11:42,530 --> 00:11:37,790 this was a woman PhD in anthropology 277 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:42,540 German very particular would do it put a 278 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:44,850 lot of work into it and we've got a 279 00:11:51,050 --> 00:11:47,490 bigger fit positive and negative at the 280 00:11:53,660 --> 00:11:51,060 high frequency in this one here was with 281 00:11:57,500 --> 00:11:53,670 my son he's actually got a bit of an 282 00:11:59,720 --> 00:11:57,510 offset there again a bigger fix at the 283 00:12:03,230 --> 00:11:59,730 high frequency in this one here was my 284 00:12:05,270 --> 00:12:03,240 future son-in-law again bigger effect at 285 00:12:06,670 --> 00:12:05,280 the high frequency end this one here was 286 00:12:10,790 --> 00:12:06,680 an interesting woman 287 00:12:11,900 --> 00:12:10,800 tattoos upper arms garrulous love doing 288 00:12:13,130 --> 00:12:11,910 this she knew that she could do it 289 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:13,140 better than any with anyone else 290 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:15,210 she she wouldn't do it on her own she 291 00:12:18,770 --> 00:12:16,530 had other people in the room she got 292 00:12:20,450 --> 00:12:18,780 them to vote as to what what a fit she 293 00:12:23,210 --> 00:12:20,460 was going to get and these she'd go 294 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:23,220 ahead and get it and see yourself as a 295 00:12:27,290 --> 00:12:24,570 hero she was fun to work with 296 00:12:29,570 --> 00:12:27,300 I really didn't trust that he was being 297 00:12:30,890 --> 00:12:29,580 as good a well behaved person but anyway 298 00:12:33,110 --> 00:12:30,900 here's the result 299 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:33,120 high frequency at a high frequency and 300 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:35,610 lots more of a fit and low frequency and 301 00:12:39,230 --> 00:12:37,290 still quite a big off stick so that's 302 00:12:39,990 --> 00:12:39,240 that's the only one that I think has got 303 00:12:42,690 --> 00:12:40,000 any real 304 00:12:45,810 --> 00:12:42,700 sniffs Oh statistical significance right 305 00:12:47,700 --> 00:12:45,820 over there the whole range and in the 306 00:12:50,670 --> 00:12:47,710 other most of the other operators only 307 00:12:52,530 --> 00:12:50,680 did a small number and so a calculator 308 00:12:53,910 --> 00:12:52,540 you can't put too much weight it was 309 00:12:56,330 --> 00:12:53,920 interesting to look at who those people 310 00:12:59,640 --> 00:12:56,340 were much sort of results they got and 311 00:13:02,250 --> 00:12:59,650 the points that came out of it to me as 312 00:13:04,170 --> 00:13:02,260 if you lump all the results together you 313 00:13:06,810 --> 00:13:04,180 lose some of this detail which is 314 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:06,820 actually this point seems to be 315 00:13:12,630 --> 00:13:10,210 statistically significant to me but you 316 00:13:16,170 --> 00:13:12,640 lose it if you average over a lot of 317 00:13:18,810 --> 00:13:16,180 people the other thing I did is I I 318 00:13:20,570 --> 00:13:18,820 could see this increase towards the high 319 00:13:23,790 --> 00:13:20,580 frequency and so this is a kind of 320 00:13:26,790 --> 00:13:23,800 signal strength all I've done is get the 321 00:13:28,410 --> 00:13:26,800 magnitude of the effect size rather and 322 00:13:30,060 --> 00:13:28,420 and so there's no negative see any 323 00:13:32,670 --> 00:13:30,070 negatives I just made them positive so 324 00:13:34,650 --> 00:13:32,680 that this is the size of of the effect 325 00:13:37,770 --> 00:13:34,660 if the high frequency and you can see 326 00:13:40,560 --> 00:13:37,780 again this strong trend to woods an 327 00:13:43,170 --> 00:13:40,570 increased signal at the high frequency 328 00:13:45,270 --> 00:13:43,180 here so summarizing this I've got two 329 00:13:47,340 --> 00:13:45,280 separate pages of summaries either the 330 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:47,350 main findings which I feel relatively 331 00:13:51,990 --> 00:13:49,690 confident about first one there's no 332 00:13:54,210 --> 00:13:52,000 reason and frequency anywhere there 333 00:13:56,910 --> 00:13:54,220 there wasn't anything that you could put 334 00:13:58,980 --> 00:13:56,920 it hang your hat on and say ah that 335 00:14:02,070 --> 00:13:58,990 they'll be they'll be a peak here that 336 00:14:03,750 --> 00:14:02,080 wiggly line just didn't show that second 337 00:14:04,980 --> 00:14:03,760 thing is the main finding overall is 338 00:14:07,950 --> 00:14:04,990 this increase in the fifth with 339 00:14:10,110 --> 00:14:07,960 frequency and then was in line with what 340 00:14:13,230 --> 00:14:10,120 Pierre had an increase in effect of 341 00:14:15,900 --> 00:14:13,240 frequency but the the pair finding of an 342 00:14:18,420 --> 00:14:15,910 inverse with respect to intention wasn't 343 00:14:19,860 --> 00:14:18,430 replicated in my study at all it was it 344 00:14:23,579 --> 00:14:19,870 was quite different we we had a positive 345 00:14:25,500 --> 00:14:23,589 effect at the high frequency and in the 346 00:14:27,750 --> 00:14:25,510 secondary findings which I can't hang my 347 00:14:29,820 --> 00:14:27,760 hat on so much on the main point here is 348 00:14:32,370 --> 00:14:29,830 since the main purpose was really 349 00:14:34,710 --> 00:14:32,380 looking for this big increase in effect 350 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:34,720 with frequency I haven't really been 351 00:14:39,780 --> 00:14:37,410 able to justify these findings so well 352 00:14:41,340 --> 00:14:39,790 I've made this point already they're 353 00:14:42,670 --> 00:14:41,350 combining the results seem to average 354 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:42,680 out some things that were pretty 355 00:14:47,230 --> 00:14:45,050 think the data quantity was too small 356 00:14:48,389 --> 00:14:47,240 for any individual frequency for you to 357 00:14:51,460 --> 00:14:48,399 be able to say it was really the end 358 00:14:52,750 --> 00:14:51,470 result really seems to come when you put 359 00:14:54,610 --> 00:14:52,760 them all together and some of the 360 00:14:56,829 --> 00:14:54,620 volunteers showed statistically 361 00:15:02,019 --> 00:14:56,839 significant results and others it wasn't 362 00:15:03,850 --> 00:15:02,029 very much okay this this but here is 363 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:03,860 quite interesting this is really ahead 364 00:15:08,050 --> 00:15:06,050 and this one since I've come here I'm 365 00:15:10,030 --> 00:15:08,060 talking to people who work with the 366 00:15:11,949 --> 00:15:10,040 random event generators a lot they say 367 00:15:14,290 --> 00:15:11,959 experiment effect is pretty big and 368 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:14,300 really once they pointed it out I I 369 00:15:18,910 --> 00:15:16,730 could see that that was the case not 370 00:15:22,420 --> 00:15:18,920 only could I see it but I had evidence 371 00:15:25,500 --> 00:15:22,430 of it so the first point here this is my 372 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:25,510 conclusion after my visit to Bob and 373 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:28,970 Deborah the D'Amigo rig results 374 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:31,850 elegantly captured the emotional state 375 00:15:36,370 --> 00:15:34,370 between the experimenters appear so I 376 00:15:38,199 --> 00:15:36,380 read the paper it was very professional 377 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:38,209 I was really impressed with it when I 378 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:41,690 went there talked to Bob and Deborah I 379 00:15:45,850 --> 00:15:43,610 found immediately they were furious with 380 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:45,860 Michael Henderson he was terrible they 381 00:15:49,090 --> 00:15:47,690 just didn't get on he'd done stuff they 382 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:49,100 didn't like he done all sorts of things 383 00:15:52,900 --> 00:15:50,810 they didn't like his work 384 00:15:54,340 --> 00:15:52,910 I was pretty thorough but he'd gone off 385 00:15:56,079 --> 00:15:54,350 on published papers that they didn't 386 00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:56,089 necessarily agree with and there's this 387 00:15:59,829 --> 00:15:58,130 big division between them and what I 388 00:16:04,329 --> 00:15:59,839 thought was really clever about the 389 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:04,339 whole experimental result is that their 390 00:16:11,949 --> 00:16:07,570 results seemed to capture there if the 391 00:16:14,019 --> 00:16:11,959 results are positive affected 200 bits 392 00:16:17,500 --> 00:16:14,029 per second stayed there in the memory 393 00:16:20,470 --> 00:16:17,510 but it also got this negative effect at 394 00:16:22,180 --> 00:16:20,480 the high frequency which allowed Michael 395 00:16:26,620 --> 00:16:22,190 Emerson to thumb his nose at his 396 00:16:29,260 --> 00:16:26,630 superiors appear and frustrated them no 397 00:16:32,620 --> 00:16:29,270 end so I thought it really captured what 398 00:16:35,230 --> 00:16:32,630 what he wanted and and their 399 00:16:37,300 --> 00:16:35,240 frustrations with them equally the 400 00:16:39,610 --> 00:16:37,310 second point here the thing that I 401 00:16:41,980 --> 00:16:39,620 wanted out of this is as an engineer I 402 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:41,990 wanted to to find a way of amplifying 403 00:16:47,319 --> 00:16:44,930 the signal and the result that I've got 404 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:47,329 is showing that the signal amplifiers as 405 00:16:50,829 --> 00:16:49,370 you get to a higher frequency exactly 406 00:16:51,460 --> 00:16:50,839 what I would have wanted so if you're 407 00:16:53,770 --> 00:16:51,470 looking 408 00:16:57,310 --> 00:16:53,780 the experimenter repeat there it is it's 409 00:17:01,290 --> 00:16:57,320 been captured in these results so it 410 00:17:04,300 --> 00:17:01,300 seems like it could be a dominant effect 411 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:04,310 I don't know too much about that and I 412 00:17:09,940 --> 00:17:05,930 don't know quite how to handle it 413 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:09,950 so just concluding them if I was to 414 00:17:14,350 --> 00:17:12,170 carry this we're gone I'd need to 415 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:14,360 examine the effect of higher bit rates 416 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:17,330 so go up to a hundred million I need a 417 00:17:21,220 --> 00:17:19,610 new machine for there alternatively 418 00:17:23,170 --> 00:17:21,230 achieved greater statistical 419 00:17:24,340 --> 00:17:23,180 significance with what I've got so get 420 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:24,350 people to come back more and more and 421 00:17:28,030 --> 00:17:26,450 more times and work and give you smaller 422 00:17:28,630 --> 00:17:28,040 arrow bars and more precision with what 423 00:17:31,810 --> 00:17:28,640 I've got 424 00:17:34,750 --> 00:17:31,820 but then if this experiment or a fit is 425 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:34,760 as big as it looks like it is we need to 426 00:17:39,250 --> 00:17:36,530 really think about how to isolate that 427 00:17:41,380 --> 00:17:39,260 out so we know what is what is machine 428 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:41,390 dependent and what is the experiment in 429 00:17:53,590 --> 00:17:42,890 the peanut and I don't quite know how to 430 00:17:58,060 --> 00:17:55,690 so well first question is I'm just 431 00:18:01,480 --> 00:17:58,070 curious what the what was your level of 432 00:18:02,710 --> 00:18:01,490 statistical significance independent of 433 00:18:05,769 --> 00:18:02,720 effect size it's sort of what kind of 434 00:18:10,210 --> 00:18:05,779 p-value did you have on the highest bit 435 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:10,220 rate data the arrow bars there are all 436 00:18:15,639 --> 00:18:13,970 one standard deviation so if you if you 437 00:18:19,539 --> 00:18:15,649 double the size of them you can see what 438 00:18:23,009 --> 00:18:19,549 the what the significance in your like 439 00:18:25,799 --> 00:18:23,019 one and a half Sigma 2 Sigma yes okay I 440 00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:25,809 may comment later but okay 441 00:18:32,379 --> 00:18:29,440 so very quickly number one I think that 442 00:18:35,139 --> 00:18:32,389 even if you have an experimenter effect 443 00:18:37,269 --> 00:18:35,149 you still may have an improved signal 444 00:18:40,659 --> 00:18:37,279 with frequency I don't think that those 445 00:18:45,460 --> 00:18:40,669 are net mutually exclusive and so there 446 00:18:49,180 --> 00:18:45,470 may be some legitimacy there a second 447 00:18:51,899 --> 00:18:49,190 thing I suggest that your when you look 448 00:18:54,460 --> 00:18:51,909 at this I'm missing in this I positive 449 00:18:56,470 --> 00:18:54,470 that's fine because they both are side 450 00:18:58,330 --> 00:18:56,480 effects and just from completely 451 00:19:00,610 --> 00:18:58,340 different you may have done this too I 452 00:19:02,769 --> 00:19:00,620 suggest using RMS because it's like a 453 00:19:04,029 --> 00:19:02,779 noisy signal so just add the RMS of all 454 00:19:06,610 --> 00:19:04,039 of them that'll take care of the sign 455 00:19:09,669 --> 00:19:06,620 yeah oven the third question I had is 456 00:19:12,009 --> 00:19:09,679 when you did the frequency differences 457 00:19:13,930 --> 00:19:12,019 did you do them in order of frequency or 458 00:19:16,749 --> 00:19:13,940 are they randomized no they were 459 00:19:19,180 --> 00:19:16,759 randomized and pretty wealthy I allowed 460 00:19:20,860 --> 00:19:19,190 the the operators to decide for 461 00:19:22,539 --> 00:19:20,870 themselves so they could go in and they 462 00:19:26,100 --> 00:19:22,549 can decide their frequency as well as 463 00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:26,110 their their intention of direction 464 00:19:32,289 --> 00:19:29,360 first of all Keith thank you so much for 465 00:19:35,379 --> 00:19:32,299 carrying on this work it was very 466 00:19:38,139 --> 00:19:35,389 frustrating to have to cancel it I mean 467 00:19:40,539 --> 00:19:38,149 we had seen something there was 468 00:19:42,220 --> 00:19:40,549 something going on and then it seemed to 469 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:42,230 disappear but there were other factors 470 00:19:47,889 --> 00:19:44,570 involved and we could not continue it 471 00:19:51,669 --> 00:19:47,899 because of technical problems so we're 472 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:51,679 indebted to you for continuing this I'd 473 00:19:55,730 --> 00:19:53,250 like to make a comment 474 00:19:59,330 --> 00:19:55,740 I think this business of experimenter 475 00:20:04,300 --> 00:19:59,340 effect is an important point but the 476 00:20:07,730 --> 00:20:04,310 experimenter is not simply the person 477 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:07,740 running the experiment I mean if the 478 00:20:16,220 --> 00:20:11,210 experimenter effect is a systemic 479 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:16,230 process it is the experimenter it is the 480 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:19,170 operator it is the machine it is the 481 00:20:26,180 --> 00:20:23,250 environment of the laboratory and it may 482 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:26,190 be other factors as well that we can't 483 00:20:33,140 --> 00:20:30,210 you know what are our fingers on but I 484 00:20:37,870 --> 00:20:33,150 think it's important to pursue this 485 00:20:42,140 --> 00:20:40,370 experimenter effect it's not something 486 00:20:45,140 --> 00:20:42,150 that can be attributable to a given 487 00:20:51,230 --> 00:20:45,150 person but it's a group effort 488 00:20:55,100 --> 00:20:51,240 you know the pair the pair dynamic what 489 00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:55,110 you see standing in front of you and as 490 00:21:01,550 --> 00:20:59,520 you as you can assume involved a number 491 00:21:05,180 --> 00:21:01,560 of people with very different styles 492 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:05,190 very different approaches and I was 493 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:06,930 always fond of saying that when we all 494 00:21:12,350 --> 00:21:09,570 work together we were like an Indy 500 495 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:12,360 pit crew when we didn't work together 496 00:21:19,130 --> 00:21:16,370 all hell broke loose and I noticed 497 00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:19,140 anecdotally just looking over the years 498 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:23,520 of data collection that there appeared 499 00:21:28,370 --> 00:21:26,610 to be can't demonstrate it can't prove 500 00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:28,380 it but there appeared to be a 501 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:30,720 correlation with the times when the pair 502 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:33,810 staff and the pair program were moving 503 00:21:40,850 --> 00:21:38,010 along smoothly and happily and as 504 00:21:43,910 --> 00:21:40,860 opposed to times when we were sort of at 505 00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:43,920 loggerheads with each other and I think 506 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:46,320 that had an important factor so it 507 00:21:52,340 --> 00:21:49,170 wasn't just the experimenter it was the 508 00:21:56,029 --> 00:21:52,350 dynamic among the experimenters and the 509 00:21:58,609 --> 00:21:56,039 operator and the Machine involved and 510 00:22:00,619 --> 00:21:58,619 etc so keep that in mind but please 511 00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:00,629 carry on and go further with it because 512 00:22:06,099 --> 00:22:03,809 I'm really eager to hear what happens I 513 00:22:12,229 --> 00:22:06,109 knew there was something wrong with that 514 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:12,239 I hope you'll be willing to correspond 515 00:22:17,269 --> 00:22:15,690 about these experiments because I have a 516 00:22:20,419 --> 00:22:17,279 tremendous amount I'd like to talk to 517 00:22:22,940 --> 00:22:20,429 you about for right now though I just 518 00:22:26,719 --> 00:22:22,950 like to ask why is it that you feel you 519 00:22:29,450 --> 00:22:26,729 did not replicate the inversion effect 520 00:22:32,419 --> 00:22:29,460 when I'm looking at that graph I see 521 00:22:34,519 --> 00:22:32,429 that you're going gangbusters positive 522 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:34,529 at some of the frequencies and visibly 523 00:22:39,229 --> 00:22:36,450 negative at other frequencies and in 524 00:22:41,629 --> 00:22:39,239 fact the frequency that is closest to 525 00:22:49,519 --> 00:22:41,639 the frequency of Megara itself is 526 00:22:51,859 --> 00:22:49,529 negative like mega right yes you could 527 00:22:54,259 --> 00:22:51,869 say that but these statistical 528 00:22:56,139 --> 00:22:54,269 significance of these really better 529 00:22:57,409 --> 00:22:56,149 double it arribada get the 530 00:23:00,139 --> 00:22:57,419 one-and-twenty 531 00:23:03,619 --> 00:23:00,149 that you want this one here this point 532 00:23:06,289 --> 00:23:03,629 here is really off off the excess this 533 00:23:11,269 --> 00:23:06,299 one isn't really it could be it could be 534 00:23:13,129 --> 00:23:11,279 just on zero so I'm really looking at 535 00:23:15,619 --> 00:23:13,139 that thing blindly and saying that trend 536 00:23:17,180 --> 00:23:15,629 line has got statistical significance 537 00:23:21,589 --> 00:23:17,190 because it's made up of ten points and 538 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:21,599 that's not replicating this here that's 539 00:23:26,779 --> 00:23:24,690 really what I was saying it just had a 540 00:23:30,409 --> 00:23:26,789 question about the instructions to the 541 00:23:32,779 --> 00:23:30,419 participants in terms of the variable 542 00:23:35,409 --> 00:23:32,789 that you are really interested in which 543 00:23:38,180 --> 00:23:35,419 is the frequency and they got to choose 544 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:38,190 the different frequencies when they when 545 00:23:44,029 --> 00:23:41,970 they did them is that and what was their 546 00:23:45,739 --> 00:23:44,039 expectation about those different 547 00:23:47,930 --> 00:23:45,749 frequencies like what did you say about 548 00:23:49,639 --> 00:23:47,940 the difference I didn't say that I just 549 00:23:53,479 --> 00:23:49,649 said I wanted to know what happened with 550 00:23:55,369 --> 00:23:53,489 frequency so please select frequencies 551 00:23:57,649 --> 00:23:55,379 whichever ones you want but try and get 552 00:23:59,659 --> 00:23:57,659 a balance and the German woman got 553 00:24:01,489 --> 00:23:59,669 exactly her little table and she'd go 554 00:24:03,140 --> 00:24:01,499 through and Mark off each time the 555 00:24:05,980 --> 00:24:03,150 others just 556 00:24:07,910 --> 00:24:05,990 I would just suggest that we're 557 00:24:10,610 --> 00:24:07,920 conditions so that's something that 558 00:24:13,610 --> 00:24:10,620 that's a bigger number yes it's better 559 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:13,620 that's also in addition to an experiment 560 00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,090 to affect the subjects maybe 561 00:24:21,169 --> 00:24:19,440 internalizing the sense that oh this 562 00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:21,179 isn't this is a good number I should do 563 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:24,240 better so there could be you know they 564 00:24:29,210 --> 00:24:25,890 could be and there was certainly I knew 565 00:24:31,130 --> 00:24:29,220 that I wanted that so that could have 566 00:24:34,100 --> 00:24:31,140 gone gone across to them but I didn't 567 00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,110 say and the only person I I mentioned it 568 00:24:40,340 --> 00:24:36,480 to and didn't realize I mentioned it was 569 00:24:46,669 --> 00:24:40,350 my son and his highest frequency was 570 00:24:48,380 --> 00:24:46,679 negative he was one of the two my 571 00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:48,390 question actually had already been asked 572 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:50,370 at least twice and it had to do with 573 00:24:56,570 --> 00:24:53,250 exactly what herb was just talking about 574 00:25:00,140 --> 00:24:56,580 I think if you can it would be really 575 00:25:01,669 --> 00:25:00,150 good to run this experiment or part of 576 00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:01,679 this experiment where people are 577 00:25:07,370 --> 00:25:03,840 completely blind at what frequency they 578 00:25:10,220 --> 00:25:07,380 use yeah that would give us I think a 579 00:25:19,860 --> 00:25:10,230 much clearer picture and like your I 580 00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:23,260 so I'm happy to be here this is a fourth 581 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:25,370 time in six years that I presented the 582 00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:30,970 ssee last time was last year at Boulder 583 00:25:36,790 --> 00:25:35,510 and I'm happy to have the opportunity to 584 00:25:38,620 --> 00:25:36,800 tell you a little bit more about this 585 00:25:41,410 --> 00:25:38,630 case which has been developing over the 586 00:25:45,970 --> 00:25:41,420 past six years over the last year quite 587 00:25:48,130 --> 00:25:45,980 a bit and this is a case where I've been 588 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:48,140 treating a patient for six years for a 589 00:25:54,990 --> 00:25:50,930 headache and seizure pseudo seizure 590 00:25:58,330 --> 00:25:55,000 disorder and she began to speak Sanskrit 591 00:25:59,320 --> 00:25:58,340 spontaneously and did so over two-month 592 00:26:04,720 --> 00:25:59,330 period of time 593 00:26:08,430 --> 00:26:04,730 and I recorded 11 hours of this 594 00:26:11,820 --> 00:26:08,440 there were 14 messages that came to her 595 00:26:14,550 --> 00:26:11,830 of a very profound nature there were 596 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:14,560 these messages were in four different 597 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:17,210 sanskrit related languages and other 598 00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:20,330 languages also and there was a 599 00:26:25,410 --> 00:26:22,880 progression to the messages and there 600 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:25,420 was an overall meaning to the messages 601 00:26:31,540 --> 00:26:27,650 but when they first happened I was 602 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:31,550 really quite surprised so this is this 603 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:35,810 how I looked 35 years ago or so and what 604 00:26:42,730 --> 00:26:38,890 does to us and Here I am with a patient 605 00:26:46,270 --> 00:26:42,740 the story here is that after six years 606 00:26:47,770 --> 00:26:46,280 of treatment and she had a brain biopsy 607 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:47,780 at UCSD 608 00:26:53,020 --> 00:26:50,810 University of California San Diego I had 609 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:53,030 hospitalized many times because of this 610 00:26:59,230 --> 00:26:55,610 severe headache as she had been suicide 611 00:27:02,110 --> 00:26:59,240 when she had headaches and she was 612 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:02,120 referred to me when she was in a 613 00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:03,370 hospital for about two months 614 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:06,710 neurosurgeons and neurologists looking 615 00:27:12,820 --> 00:27:09,530 at her and when she was seizing she had 616 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:12,830 normal EEG so they thought that this was 617 00:27:16,590 --> 00:27:14,570 a manifestation of some psychological 618 00:27:19,180 --> 00:27:16,600 trauma conflict manifesting physically 619 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:19,190 and when I saw her we tried to 620 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:21,370 understand its connection to a 621 00:27:26,790 --> 00:27:24,130 psychological trauma early trauma 622 00:27:28,830 --> 00:27:26,800 there was a lot and to try to bring some 623 00:27:30,810 --> 00:27:28,840 consciousness to it and work through it 624 00:27:35,340 --> 00:27:30,820 but she continued to have these terrible 625 00:27:36,810 --> 00:27:35,350 headaches hospitalized many times so I 626 00:27:39,060 --> 00:27:36,820 printed her for six years she got better 627 00:27:42,620 --> 00:27:39,070 and she left for two years and then she 628 00:27:44,970 --> 00:27:42,630 called me and said somebody's uh 629 00:27:48,030 --> 00:27:44,980 visiting me in an inner dimension 630 00:27:49,490 --> 00:27:48,040 and speaking a foreign language that's 631 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:49,500 why I thought she was manipulating 632 00:27:54,690 --> 00:27:51,970 telling me a strange story because that 633 00:27:57,300 --> 00:27:54,700 is strange to hear for modern 634 00:27:59,370 --> 00:27:57,310 psychiatrist to hear that unless this is 635 00:28:03,660 --> 00:27:59,380 completely delusional or who Senatorial 636 00:28:05,490 --> 00:28:03,670 so I says well can you recall what that 637 00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:05,500 person is saying yeah I think I can she 638 00:28:08,270 --> 00:28:06,640 said I said can you write it down I 639 00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:08,280 think again can you translate it I think 640 00:28:13,170 --> 00:28:10,720 so I said well if that's the case then 641 00:28:16,020 --> 00:28:13,180 call my answering machine and and leave 642 00:28:18,810 --> 00:28:16,030 the recording but don't wake me up in 643 00:28:21,930 --> 00:28:18,820 the middle of the night over this and so 644 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:21,940 how amazed I was a day or two later when 645 00:28:25,620 --> 00:28:23,770 I heard this now I'm about ready to 646 00:28:29,610 --> 00:28:25,630 admit her to a hospital she's having a 647 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:29,620 headache she she was in another hospital 648 00:28:36,450 --> 00:28:32,890 I'm transferring her we are in my office 649 00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:36,460 and I'm playing back a recording and 650 00:28:41,010 --> 00:28:37,840 this is similar to the first time I 651 00:28:42,780 --> 00:28:41,020 heard her on my answering machine this 652 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:42,790 is another recording but this is very 653 00:28:46,110 --> 00:28:44,170 similar to the first time I picked this 654 00:28:51,180 --> 00:28:46,120 up and and I was amazed to hear this in 655 00:29:17,340 --> 00:28:51,190 this house I'll play this for you and 656 00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:17,350 see if you can recall anything no I 657 00:29:22,890 --> 00:29:19,440 really don't okay so that's complicated 658 00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,900 and I've worked hard with Sanskrit 659 00:29:28,140 --> 00:29:24,640 scholars one in particular you see a 660 00:29:31,740 --> 00:29:28,150 University of California San Diego San 661 00:29:33,950 --> 00:29:31,750 Diego State University a professor of 662 00:29:36,980 --> 00:29:33,960 religious studies and Sanskrit 663 00:29:38,450 --> 00:29:36,990 and this is how this looks we'll get 664 00:29:40,970 --> 00:29:38,460 into it a little bit later but this is 665 00:29:43,310 --> 00:29:40,980 actually Saturday night Indian many 666 00:29:45,860 --> 00:29:43,320 times I've been to India eighty times 667 00:29:47,060 --> 00:29:45,870 three books about sounded consciousness 668 00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:47,070 in its relationship to behavioral 669 00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:49,710 sciences and so I heard some of the 670 00:29:54,620 --> 00:29:51,120 words I knew that this was not just 671 00:29:56,570 --> 00:29:54,630 jibber and I picked up a camera and 672 00:29:59,419 --> 00:29:56,580 began to record this over two-month 673 00:30:02,299 --> 00:29:59,429 period of time this is the first time 674 00:30:04,580 --> 00:30:02,309 she brought writings into the office I 675 00:30:06,860 --> 00:30:04,590 said can you write this down yes 676 00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:06,870 so three more of these messages came she 677 00:30:13,130 --> 00:30:09,840 brought him in and this is how it looked 678 00:30:15,580 --> 00:30:13,140 this is how she wrote it and now she's 679 00:30:18,260 --> 00:30:15,590 going to be just reading this 680 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:18,270 phonetically she said that she's hearing 681 00:30:22,190 --> 00:30:19,890 this person speaking she's reading it 682 00:30:24,919 --> 00:30:22,200 down phonetically so some words are 683 00:30:26,180 --> 00:30:24,929 misspelled actually and and this is how 684 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:26,190 she's speaking 685 00:30:30,919 --> 00:30:29,010 rahama to an arrest Iike a Hamas you got 686 00:30:31,580 --> 00:30:30,929 a Bahama don't they invite the Empress 687 00:30:33,409 --> 00:30:31,590 Katia 688 00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:33,419 asked me for I said to the audience who 689 00:30:37,370 --> 00:30:35,279 have not idiotic farm coming at Cindy 690 00:30:39,740 --> 00:30:37,380 D'Amato to God to devata for her bounty 691 00:30:41,659 --> 00:30:39,750 okay so that's the first message three 692 00:30:44,330 --> 00:30:41,669 that came I started working with a 693 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:44,340 Sanskrit scholar and a professor of 694 00:30:49,340 --> 00:30:48,210 cognitive science at the UCSD who said 695 00:30:52,909 --> 00:30:49,350 looking you've got to figure out what 696 00:30:54,289 --> 00:30:52,919 you actually have here so find out that 697 00:30:57,409 --> 00:30:54,299 what these messages are saying and how 698 00:30:59,600 --> 00:30:57,419 many message you have and so this would 699 00:31:03,370 --> 00:30:59,610 we we started to graph this is message 700 00:31:08,090 --> 00:31:03,380 number two started to graph it each 701 00:31:12,260 --> 00:31:08,100 column horizontal one two three four 702 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:12,270 five six represents each line and the 703 00:31:18,289 --> 00:31:15,690 first square upper left this is what is 704 00:31:21,289 --> 00:31:18,299 the first line that Jackie the patient 705 00:31:23,810 --> 00:31:21,299 says estiga you're still tapana as there 706 00:31:25,789 --> 00:31:23,820 are some English words in here helping 707 00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:25,799 us understand who she's talking about or 708 00:31:30,970 --> 00:31:27,960 the voice is talking about the 709 00:31:33,700 --> 00:31:30,980 correction is a seka sotapanna that's a 710 00:31:39,919 --> 00:31:33,710 Buddhist term from Mahayana Buddhism 711 00:31:42,860 --> 00:31:39,929 which actually describes a certain level 712 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:42,870 of consciousness a sticker and a sticker 713 00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:46,290 means anybody who experiences themselves 714 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:47,880 as something more subtle in the physical 715 00:31:56,570 --> 00:31:50,490 body so this is actually a message to 716 00:31:59,330 --> 00:31:56,580 you also evidently then the language a 717 00:32:03,410 --> 00:31:59,340 sneaker Sanskrit sotapanna comes from 718 00:32:06,940 --> 00:32:03,420 Pali Canon from the prakrit language the 719 00:32:10,430 --> 00:32:06,950 Pali canons are written in this language 720 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:10,440 from Mahayana Buddhism and so we 721 00:32:14,740 --> 00:32:12,450 understand the next column over 722 00:32:16,730 --> 00:32:14,750 tradition is Hinduism Buddhism and the 723 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:16,740 translation is believer one who's 724 00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:19,170 entered the stream and Tanish wire to 725 00:32:23,180 --> 00:32:20,820 Massino who's the Sanskrit scholar 726 00:32:26,110 --> 00:32:23,190 believer you have entered the stream of 727 00:32:27,770 --> 00:32:26,120 divine grace now actually sotapanna 728 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:27,780 represents a certain level of 729 00:32:32,570 --> 00:32:29,010 consciousness and the Buddhist tradition 730 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:32,580 and the actual meaning is a stream 731 00:32:35,030 --> 00:32:33,210 enterer 732 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:35,040 that's what it actually means okay so 733 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:37,010 just to show you that we started doing 734 00:32:44,150 --> 00:32:41,130 after my presentation last year sure and 735 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:44,160 I my wife and I had lunch with the 736 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:46,650 Russell Targ and his wife Patricia and 737 00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:49,530 he said you know I'm a Buddhist and this 738 00:32:55,010 --> 00:32:52,080 seems like very much like a terma and I 739 00:32:58,420 --> 00:32:55,020 didn't know what the term turma was a 740 00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,430 terma is a hidden message that is 741 00:33:04,970 --> 00:33:00,720 transmitted by a Buddha or a very high 742 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:04,980 soul to a tier time or a receiver in the 743 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:07,770 in the future to be revealed or found 744 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:10,410 now it sounds like science fiction much 745 00:33:15,230 --> 00:33:11,850 of what you're studying seems like 746 00:33:17,870 --> 00:33:15,240 science fiction I think but most people 747 00:33:21,010 --> 00:33:17,880 don't don't believe this and but this is 748 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:21,020 well represented in a Buddhist tradition 749 00:33:27,670 --> 00:33:23,930 Vajrayana Buddhism there are three major 750 00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:27,680 traditions tera bata Mahayana much 751 00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:32,640 Vajrayana Buddhism and the way mariana 752 00:33:40,940 --> 00:33:37,260 buddhism the scriptures are developed is 753 00:33:43,730 --> 00:33:40,950 through this term of this belief that 754 00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:43,740 there are tier x or receivers of the 755 00:33:50,990 --> 00:33:48,000 message that understand it and can 756 00:33:54,620 --> 00:33:51,000 decipher it and project it into their 757 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:54,630 scriptures so 758 00:33:58,550 --> 00:33:57,210 I thought well this is more I should 759 00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:58,560 really be presenting this as a 760 00:34:03,950 --> 00:34:01,440 revelation orator model and somewhere 761 00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:03,960 this clip just helps us understand a 762 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:05,840 little bit you probably understand this 763 00:34:10,399 --> 00:34:07,890 revelation but term is very much like a 764 00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:10,409 revelation and then in this particular 765 00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:12,510 clip I'm going to show you the extent of 766 00:34:19,730 --> 00:34:16,110 the 14 messages a tremendous amount of 767 00:34:24,139 --> 00:34:19,740 material received from a very disabled 768 00:34:27,230 --> 00:34:24,149 patient actual concrete Sanford Center 769 00:34:29,419 --> 00:34:27,240 related languages received that have an 770 00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:29,429 actual message this is extraordinary 771 00:34:37,220 --> 00:34:35,700 a transmission of knowledge and bill 772 00:34:39,139 --> 00:34:37,230 Benson was talking about this 773 00:34:40,909 --> 00:34:39,149 transmission and that it's not energy 774 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:40,919 it's it's information or knowledge 775 00:34:46,570 --> 00:34:42,690 that's why I asked the question to him 776 00:34:50,899 --> 00:34:46,580 this is a tremendous transmission of 777 00:34:54,020 --> 00:34:50,909 knowledge and in a and we'll get into 778 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:54,030 the idea of what a movie is and what the 779 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:54,450 terma 780 00:34:57,710 --> 00:34:56,610 is and what a ter tiniest like here 781 00:35:02,770 --> 00:34:57,720 we're just going to just get into 782 00:35:04,940 --> 00:35:02,780 revelation and in religion and theology 783 00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:04,950 revelation is the revealing or 784 00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:07,680 disclosing of some form of truth or 785 00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:10,320 knowledge through communication with a 786 00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:13,380 deity or other supernatural entity or 787 00:35:20,510 --> 00:35:17,520 entities Orthodox Jews Christians and 788 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:20,520 Muslims believe that the Torah was 789 00:35:29,210 --> 00:35:24,930 received from Yahweh or God on biblical 790 00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:29,220 Mount Sinai Muslims believe that the 791 00:35:36,380 --> 00:35:33,200 Quran was revealed by God to Muhammad 792 00:35:40,340 --> 00:35:36,390 word by word through the angel Gabriel 793 00:35:45,730 --> 00:35:40,350 in Hinduism some Vedas are considered 794 00:35:50,300 --> 00:35:45,740 author 'less not human compositions or 795 00:35:52,940 --> 00:35:50,310 Shruti what is heard a direct revelation 796 00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:52,950 from divinity with the age of 797 00:35:58,070 --> 00:35:55,440 enlightenment in Europe beginning about 798 00:36:00,380 --> 00:35:58,080 the mid 17th century and with the 799 00:36:04,070 --> 00:36:00,390 development of rationalism materialism 800 00:36:05,850 --> 00:36:04,080 and atheism the concept of supernatural 801 00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:05,860 revelation faced 802 00:36:11,340 --> 00:36:10,240 scepticism a terma is defined as a 803 00:36:14,220 --> 00:36:11,350 hidden treasure 804 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:14,230 they are various forms of hidden 805 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:17,290 teachings that are key to the Tibetan 806 00:36:22,350 --> 00:36:19,810 Buddhist the belief is that these 807 00:36:25,550 --> 00:36:22,360 teachings were originally hidden by 808 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:25,560 various adepts during the eighth century 809 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:30,210 for future discovery at auspicious times 810 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:35,410 Jackie received 14 messages here to show 811 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:37,930 the amount of material gathered is a 812 00:36:43,950 --> 00:36:41,010 quick survey of all the messages of 813 00:36:46,770 --> 00:36:43,960 course to understand these messages and 814 00:36:50,580 --> 00:36:46,780 their overall meaning we'll have to 815 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:50,590 analyze each one one by one which I will 816 00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:54,370 do in coming posts okay this is just to 817 00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:56,560 see the extent of it it's a fairly 818 00:37:03,150 --> 00:36:59,920 extensive and it gives a coherent 819 00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:03,160 overall message evidently for this 820 00:37:09,390 --> 00:37:05,110 particular time okay 821 00:37:11,940 --> 00:37:09,400 the voice in these messages identify him 822 00:37:14,490 --> 00:37:11,950 herself as parabrahman such a Sai Baba 823 00:37:17,460 --> 00:37:14,500 and Amitabha Buddha of life now 824 00:37:19,770 --> 00:37:17,470 parbrahma in Hinduism is infinite 825 00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:19,780 consciousness that is beyond attribute 826 00:37:25,290 --> 00:37:22,960 beyond name form time-space it is 827 00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:25,300 probably similar to the Buddhist 828 00:37:31,140 --> 00:37:28,000 absolute truth which means emptiness it 829 00:37:33,630 --> 00:37:31,150 is non form with full potential 830 00:37:35,730 --> 00:37:33,640 all opposites exist as one full 831 00:37:38,610 --> 00:37:35,740 potential and it can manifest in fact 832 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:38,620 it's this source of creation such as Sai 833 00:37:44,490 --> 00:37:40,890 Baba is a Indian teacher who I was 834 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:44,500 interested in and visited and Amitabha 835 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:47,530 Buddha of light is a Buddha a celestial 836 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:49,810 Buddha who exists in a celestial realm 837 00:37:55,860 --> 00:37:52,570 not embodied on earth but in the 838 00:37:57,660 --> 00:37:55,870 celestial realm who transmits these 839 00:37:59,730 --> 00:37:57,670 tournaments who has transmitted termers 840 00:38:02,820 --> 00:37:59,740 turma is the hidden message in the turf 841 00:38:05,610 --> 00:38:02,830 town is the one who who receives it now 842 00:38:07,770 --> 00:38:05,620 for understanding some of this material 843 00:38:09,870 --> 00:38:07,780 I want to get into some of this a little 844 00:38:12,740 --> 00:38:09,880 bit deeper references 845 00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:12,750 Holi gaily and received her PhD 846 00:38:17,690 --> 00:38:15,720 emollient studies at Harvard and John 847 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:17,700 Reynolds Sanskrit Tibetan Buddhist 848 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:21,170 studies Columbia Berkeley Washington 849 00:38:26,510 --> 00:38:24,210 University of Washington and I've had a 850 00:38:27,260 --> 00:38:26,520 fair amount of experience I mentioned 851 00:38:28,460 --> 00:38:27,270 I've been to India 852 00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,470 80 times and I've written three books 853 00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:30,480 about that expanding consciousness 854 00:38:38,090 --> 00:38:36,240 related to behavioral sciences okay so 855 00:38:40,660 --> 00:38:38,100 this is a paranormal phenomenon 856 00:38:43,070 --> 00:38:40,670 described in fact arianna Buddhism 857 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:43,080 Tibetan word Karma we've gone through 858 00:38:48,380 --> 00:38:45,210 this a little bit a little bit more here 859 00:38:50,060 --> 00:38:48,390 literally means treasure usually refers 860 00:38:51,650 --> 00:38:50,070 to Buddhist Scripture received from a 861 00:38:52,810 --> 00:38:51,660 distant pass through the process of 862 00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:52,820 Revelation 863 00:38:59,060 --> 00:38:56,160 kirtan is a person who discovers an 864 00:39:03,160 --> 00:38:59,070 ancient hidden text the my term is 865 00:39:11,380 --> 00:39:08,690 termas line of transmission a Buddha 866 00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:11,390 like Amitabha the Buddha of light I 867 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:15,510 transmits this it can be to a disciple 868 00:39:21,050 --> 00:39:17,610 in the eighth century called Padma Sam 869 00:39:29,150 --> 00:39:21,060 Baba or it can be to another another 870 00:39:33,580 --> 00:39:29,160 tier time and wisdom okay so here's just 871 00:39:37,460 --> 00:39:33,590 to demonstrate a number of Buddhist 872 00:39:39,350 --> 00:39:37,470 words that were unique here you see Don 873 00:39:42,980 --> 00:39:39,360 dint identify this actually is from 874 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:42,990 Tibetan Buddhism which is a language 875 00:39:46,970 --> 00:39:44,810 separate from actually Sanskrit this is 876 00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:46,980 three Sanskrit scholars didn't know what 877 00:39:51,230 --> 00:39:49,200 this word was it took a google search 878 00:39:53,540 --> 00:39:51,240 and we found out that it meant absolute 879 00:39:57,140 --> 00:39:53,550 truth somebody just to play a little of 880 00:40:01,520 --> 00:39:57,150 this message one are the Tibetan 881 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:01,530 Buddhist words Don damn pi denpa meaning 882 00:40:11,980 --> 00:40:10,050 absolute truth I just hear this whole 883 00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:11,990 idea of a higher level of consciousness 884 00:40:17,180 --> 00:40:14,910 means giving up attachment to the 885 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:17,190 material sensory world until there's a 886 00:40:22,809 --> 00:40:20,249 sense in the Buddhist mind a minute 887 00:40:27,410 --> 00:40:22,819 a complete emptiness in advisor or 888 00:40:29,059 --> 00:40:27,420 non-dualism in Hinduism you see giving 889 00:40:32,359 --> 00:40:29,069 up everything that's impermanent until 890 00:40:34,430 --> 00:40:32,369 you reach a state of no-mind whatever 891 00:40:38,809 --> 00:40:34,440 that whatever that is now that is a 892 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:38,819 certain level of attainment I'm going to 893 00:40:43,489 --> 00:40:39,930 go through this very quickly because 894 00:40:46,099 --> 00:40:43,499 this is just dr. Tim escena our Sanskrit 895 00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:46,109 scholar presenting at the APA American 896 00:40:53,989 --> 00:40:50,609 Psychiatric Association in 2015 we were 897 00:40:58,549 --> 00:40:53,999 there was a three-hour media workshop in 898 00:41:02,539 --> 00:40:58,559 here over two months we have 11 hours of 899 00:41:05,269 --> 00:41:02,549 video recordings 14 recorded messages 900 00:41:07,849 --> 00:41:05,279 four of them even when the patient is in 901 00:41:11,989 --> 00:41:07,859 a psychiatric hospital under close watch 902 00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:11,999 and heavily medicated we also have six 903 00:41:18,289 --> 00:41:14,640 additional incomplete messages while the 904 00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:18,299 patient is in a trance my area is 905 00:41:23,329 --> 00:41:20,730 language and it's mind-boggling it's 906 00:41:26,779 --> 00:41:23,339 it's just simply I do not know I cannot 907 00:41:30,229 --> 00:41:26,789 fathom and it took really long time for 908 00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:30,239 me just to analyze these like six seven 909 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:33,119 lines because David they were coming 910 00:41:38,450 --> 00:41:34,890 from different traditions and different 911 00:41:41,450 --> 00:41:38,460 texts but still making a coherent sense 912 00:41:44,029 --> 00:41:41,460 so they were not like a unit I one could 913 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:44,039 just jumbled together you I could read 914 00:41:53,839 --> 00:41:48,210 for example Hebrew Jack's which I don't 915 00:41:54,799 --> 00:41:53,849 know really is pretty profound and it 916 00:41:58,370 --> 00:41:54,809 takes a lot of time to actually 917 00:42:00,680 --> 00:41:58,380 understand but he's just talking about 918 00:42:02,749 --> 00:42:00,690 how extraordinary it was for him to find 919 00:42:05,809 --> 00:42:02,759 in text with amitaba 920 00:42:08,569 --> 00:42:05,819 is from Mahayana Buddhism depth by 921 00:42:12,229 --> 00:42:08,579 Delphi is from Tibetan Buddhism there 922 00:42:16,369 --> 00:42:12,239 are many and vitac or vedantic 923 00:42:18,679 --> 00:42:16,379 new terms all talking about how one 924 00:42:21,019 --> 00:42:18,689 rises in consciousness the process that 925 00:42:23,059 --> 00:42:21,029 we go through raised to a higher level 926 00:42:27,979 --> 00:42:23,069 of consciousness and you should know 927 00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:27,989 that in some of the inviting text it 928 00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:31,049 says that all mental power all mental 929 00:42:36,709 --> 00:42:34,079 power is ego comes from a false sense of 930 00:42:38,509 --> 00:42:36,719 self where we identify ourselves either 931 00:42:42,169 --> 00:42:38,519 with the self with the body self or the 932 00:42:45,439 --> 00:42:42,179 mind and that brahmand or infinite 933 00:42:47,509 --> 00:42:45,449 consciousness is the source of all now 934 00:42:49,759 --> 00:42:47,519 that's going to be hard to accept by a 935 00:42:51,979 --> 00:42:49,769 lot of people maybe we're having even 936 00:42:54,739 --> 00:42:51,989 difficulty understanding that but to 937 00:42:56,959 --> 00:42:54,749 understand that I wondered a long time 938 00:42:59,809 --> 00:42:56,969 why we don't have a great mystics and 939 00:43:02,509 --> 00:42:59,819 masters talking at conferences like this 940 00:43:04,219 --> 00:43:02,519 to help us understand how we do rise 941 00:43:11,389 --> 00:43:04,229 from one level of consciousness to 942 00:43:14,419 --> 00:43:11,399 another I sure that some of the some of 943 00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:14,429 the results of our investigations have a 944 00:43:18,019 --> 00:43:16,079 lot to do with their own consciousness 945 00:43:20,989 --> 00:43:18,029 and the levels of consciousness and the 946 00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:20,999 consciousness of our subject that is 947 00:43:26,869 --> 00:43:22,649 very important to understand that this 948 00:43:29,689 --> 00:43:26,879 work has actually been examined but in 949 00:43:32,149 --> 00:43:29,699 the past when I've heard of great 950 00:43:34,729 --> 00:43:32,159 masters talking about higher levels of 951 00:43:38,089 --> 00:43:34,739 consciousness what's lacking is actual 952 00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:38,099 data and so most scientists think well 953 00:43:41,749 --> 00:43:39,359 that's probably in the realm of 954 00:43:46,749 --> 00:43:41,759 imagination or symbolic thinking or 955 00:43:49,489 --> 00:43:46,759 something but here we have 14 messages 956 00:43:52,549 --> 00:43:49,499 received in one of my sickest patients 957 00:43:56,539 --> 00:43:52,559 who know nothing about Sanskrit or India 958 00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:56,549 she comes from her background is English 959 00:44:00,909 --> 00:43:57,119 in French 960 00:44:04,339 --> 00:44:00,919 and with no connection whatsoever to 961 00:44:06,589 --> 00:44:04,349 Sanskrit or to India speaking the most 962 00:44:08,509 --> 00:44:06,599 complicated not only languages but 963 00:44:12,620 --> 00:44:08,519 concepts as well that actually make 964 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:12,630 extreme sense okay there's a stop 965 00:44:18,890 --> 00:44:16,290 I've got 15 seconds I don't know what to 966 00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:18,900 say except to try to underscore I you 967 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:20,730 know said very hard for me to help 968 00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:22,890 people understand or confirm for me to 969 00:44:27,470 --> 00:44:24,510 communicate this with people actually 970 00:44:29,630 --> 00:44:27,480 being interested in it that's to me it's 971 00:44:31,220 --> 00:44:29,640 just completely amazing I mean I've been 972 00:44:32,990 --> 00:44:31,230 a psychiatrist my entire life I've just 973 00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:33,000 never seen anything like this I've read 974 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:34,560 about it I've heard about it I've seen 975 00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:37,050 strange things in India but this is the 976 00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:43,200 most profound extraordinary deep wisdom 977 00:44:48,590 --> 00:44:46,260 from the mind of something here it's 978 00:44:50,780 --> 00:44:48,600 called parabrahman such a Saibaba I'm a 979 00:44:52,580 --> 00:44:50,790 top of movement of light it must this 980 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:52,590 must represent a level of consciousness 981 00:44:56,930 --> 00:44:55,170 not a physical body but a level of 982 00:44:59,420 --> 00:44:56,940 consciousness which is admitting a 983 00:45:03,050 --> 00:44:59,430 capable of emitting very profound wisdom 984 00:45:06,260 --> 00:45:03,060 and this wisdom actually is directed to 985 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:06,270 all of us it's saying as I understand 986 00:45:10,820 --> 00:45:09,090 we're moving from a a low level an age 987 00:45:11,690 --> 00:45:10,830 of low level consciousness called the 988 00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:11,700 kali yuga 989 00:45:16,610 --> 00:45:14,400 in hinduism is called a colligative to a 990 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:16,620 high level of consciousness called the 991 00:45:23,330 --> 00:45:19,650 Satya Yuga there is this movement and 992 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:23,340 the mind of man is being purified and 993 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:25,170 they're being shaken we're being shaken 994 00:45:30,140 --> 00:45:28,650 but as we're as the mind is being 995 00:45:34,730 --> 00:45:30,150 purified and we're awakening to a new 996 00:45:36,830 --> 00:45:34,740 level of knowledge just a quick question 997 00:45:39,310 --> 00:45:36,840 people have been talking throughout the 998 00:45:41,620 --> 00:45:39,320 meeting about kind of consciousness 999 00:45:44,180 --> 00:45:41,630 pre-existing or just being out there 1000 00:45:45,620 --> 00:45:44,190 with this think this seems like it might 1001 00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:45,630 be an example of that does that sound 1002 00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:48,710 reasonable it's not out there 1003 00:45:53,630 --> 00:45:52,800 I understand it but everything is 1004 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:53,640 consciousness 1005 00:45:59,330 --> 00:45:56,450 it's our low level of awareness that 1006 00:46:02,450 --> 00:45:59,340 competences consciousness into duality 1007 00:46:05,300 --> 00:46:02,460 that that idea of duality where we 1008 00:46:09,830 --> 00:46:05,310 separate one thing from another thing 1009 00:46:13,370 --> 00:46:09,840 not nonlocality the idea of duality it's 1010 00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:13,380 basic in Hinduism is called ignorance we 1011 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:15,510 have when our association with separate 1012 00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:17,650 names and forms but everything is 1013 00:46:22,349 --> 00:46:19,569 as we rising consciously begin to see 1014 00:46:26,099 --> 00:46:22,359 everything is consciousness the that's 1015 00:46:30,539 --> 00:46:26,109 all there is and consciousness decides 1016 00:46:33,180 --> 00:46:30,549 or intends to create and it creates like 1017 00:46:36,059 --> 00:46:33,190 forming a I was going to describe this 1018 00:46:37,769 --> 00:46:36,069 for me a dot it's just similar to the 1019 00:46:40,109 --> 00:46:37,779 Big Bang Theory and in that dot 1020 00:46:42,839 --> 00:46:40,119 it's called nada Bindu kala Bindu means 1021 00:46:44,609 --> 00:46:42,849 a dot nada is a sound it's a dot of 1022 00:46:47,700 --> 00:46:44,619 sound that has light in it and kala 1023 00:46:52,049 --> 00:46:47,710 means time and from there it bursts in 1024 00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:52,059 all name forms sound all attributes all 1025 00:46:55,740 --> 00:46:54,400 wisdom emanate from that as the cosmos 1026 00:46:58,859 --> 00:46:55,750 that's something and it's very much like 1027 00:47:00,660 --> 00:46:58,869 the Big Bang Theory except it says that 1028 00:47:03,660 --> 00:47:00,670 it is coming from pure consciousness 1029 00:47:05,250 --> 00:47:03,670 there and that is the the basic realm 1030 00:47:08,789 --> 00:47:05,260 here comes I guess what I meant to say 1031 00:47:19,049 --> 00:47:08,799 it simply exists and is there not that 1032 00:47:28,319 --> 00:47:19,059 there is a place but it's just how is 1033 00:47:30,829 --> 00:47:28,329 the patient and she had serious physical 1034 00:47:34,349 --> 00:47:30,839 illness also so that she suffered a lot 1035 00:47:36,450 --> 00:47:34,359 hi I had three quick questions question 1036 00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:36,460 number one uh when she was receiving the 1037 00:47:43,380 --> 00:47:39,609 auditory messages was it a male or 1038 00:47:45,779 --> 00:47:43,390 female voice I was it coming from to her 1039 00:47:48,450 --> 00:47:45,789 right ear life theater both it's very 1040 00:47:52,890 --> 00:47:48,460 important question number two were you 1041 00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:52,900 able to do any ieg study when she was 1042 00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:55,510 trans while she was transmitting because 1043 00:48:00,750 --> 00:47:57,490 it would be you know I'm curious about 1044 00:48:02,130 --> 00:48:00,760 what part of a brain was involved I 1045 00:48:04,650 --> 00:48:02,140 don't think it would be a Language 1046 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:04,660 Center but just maybe whether the 1047 00:48:08,730 --> 00:48:07,450 Olympics limbic system was involve of 1048 00:48:13,250 --> 00:48:08,740 the brain and question number three 1049 00:48:18,180 --> 00:48:13,260 would she at any point suffer 1050 00:48:20,279 --> 00:48:18,190 compulsions or any you know this kind of 1051 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:20,289 disorder manic depressive or anything 1052 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:21,690 like that 1053 00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:24,610 well the last one first no she didn't 1054 00:48:31,860 --> 00:48:27,040 she experienced the physical expression 1055 00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:31,870 of either early trauma or suffering and 1056 00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:34,510 it took the form of headaches and pseudo 1057 00:48:40,530 --> 00:48:38,160 seizures so that was it there was no 1058 00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:40,540 manic-depressive schizophrenic or other 1059 00:48:46,350 --> 00:48:42,510 kind 1060 00:48:49,950 --> 00:48:46,360 number your second one I didn't do any 1061 00:48:52,530 --> 00:48:49,960 recording so I don't know where where 1062 00:48:54,810 --> 00:48:52,540 what was coming and it was infrequent 1063 00:48:57,150 --> 00:48:54,820 where she was actually in trance with me 1064 00:48:59,580 --> 00:48:57,160 and then deciphering enough to 1065 00:49:02,820 --> 00:48:59,590 understand that she'd written down which 1066 00:49:10,610 --> 00:49:02,830 were very kapow the first one the first